They raise the numbers yearly I believe and we are pretty stagnant in growth maybe the same numbers that caught LCM and Lumberton May encompass us someday
Could you see PN-G drop to 4 a
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Usedtocould
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I believe it will eventually. PN and Groves have a surprisingly high rent value for the ages of some of the houses etc. and it’s relatively land locked. Which basically when you consider there is basically 10 divisions in REAL football and Texas is the most “moved-to state in the US. Yes, even the “rural†areas are growing like crazy. Look at places like League City. They went from Clear Creek to now 4 6A schools in a relatively short amount of time. Alvin went from one HS to 3 in less than 10 years (Manvel, shadow creek) and those will be in the highest classifications soon. PN basically CANT grow that much. But I think this will be a good thing because football will ALWAYS be a priority (as well as all sports) so the program will always be there.
IndianFan
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For most of the teams in the area, it takes an exceptional group to go deep in the playoffs. Especially for the small 5A schools in PNG’s district. The talent pool is small compared to the bigger metro areas, as are the dynamics for new kids coming into the programs. Tradition and being tough only goes so far.
PNG had those special groups from 74-77, 89, 99, and a few other years. And the intangibles pushed us even further, although in some cases not far enough. I still think 1977 is the biggest disappointment in terms of the talent level not winning it all. Plano barely beat a PNG team that was not entirely prepared to play their best game. The Indians should have won that game and claimed a 4th state championship.
There are still plenty of buzzsaws out there at the 4A level. But I agree it would be interesting.
PNG had those special groups from 74-77, 89, 99, and a few other years. And the intangibles pushed us even further, although in some cases not far enough. I still think 1977 is the biggest disappointment in terms of the talent level not winning it all. Plano barely beat a PNG team that was not entirely prepared to play their best game. The Indians should have won that game and claimed a 4th state championship.
There are still plenty of buzzsaws out there at the 4A level. But I agree it would be interesting.
Usedtocould
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PNG probably would have made it to the regional finals in big 4A and lost to Carthage (probably) and in small 4A would have either won region 3 (at least) or made it to the finals at the very least IMO. Silsbee lost to the champ team by 4 or 5 14-19 I think. We relatively handled Silsbee easily after the first quarter.
Usedtocould
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ONE player beat us in 77. His name was Billy Ray Smith. I remember that game much more than the Permian game. He was a man amongst boys. Not that the rest of the team wasn’t good and did their job. But without Smith we win that game by 4 TDsIndianFan said:
Usedtocould
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Forgive my grammar. Lol the rest of the Plano team was good. But we would’ve won without Smith on their team. (Revision) we would not have won...Usedtocould said:
Usedtocould
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Smith also played at San Diego. Arkansas then Chargers. Didn’t play that long if I remember.
IndianFan
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Watching the Plano game on the Astrodomination flash drive, it was not just #89 Billy Ray Smith that beat the Indians. He was certainly a big, big part of that game, but Plano had some weapons. It was a strong Plano run game, a dominating Plano defense led by #89 BRS, and Indian miscues. All of that, and PN-G still hung around thanks to Coach Ethridge. He called a good game to control the tempo and he did not let the game get out of hand. Indians lost a good game 13-10. BRS was difficult to block and he disrupted a lot of PN-G's attempts to pull the guards, and he got to the PN-G QB (#23 David Fry) quite a bit, but PN-G moved the ball when the RBs got to the perimeter. Plano had a strong run game...student body right, student body left, and then play action pass. Great game to watch. On the flash drive, the Cowboys' score board showed the crowd at 47,000+ --- not 49,000+? I wonder where the official count came from? And, don't forget, PN-G had some big kids and absolute studs on that 1977 team: PN-G LB #70 Ted Brack was a man among boys. He was all over the field stuffing the Plano run game. When he hit the ball carrier, the play was over! PN-G's OL had some size, too. They used good technique to move people off the line of scrimmage. Even with PN-G's strong OL, Plano's BRS disrupted things. He was a wrecking ball. Great game film from the Astrodomination package.
P.S. The Astrodomination package has some video of the 1974 Brazosport game, too. David Hodge was the difference. No denying that fact. That guy was a bad dude. He shut down the PN-G run game and made to two INTs returned for TDs to secure the win. That video is not is good as the Plano game, but it well worth the time to watch. PN-G was small and scrappy. Very small PN-G team. Brazosport had size and most important, they had David Hodge. He was a stud. I'm more impressed with the 1974 PN-G Indians after watching Astrodomination. The 1974 PN-G Indians had some scrappy fight to them. Small and aggressive street fighters. They did not quit. They just kept coming after you. On defense, DL Matt Burnett was a big time MAN. He blew up the Brazosport OL several times all by himself. They double-teamed him and he shredded the double-team. He was strong and he had a nose for finding the football. The 1974 team would have won the state championship but for David Hodge. The 1974 team is underrated.
Go Indians.
P.S. The Astrodomination package has some video of the 1974 Brazosport game, too. David Hodge was the difference. No denying that fact. That guy was a bad dude. He shut down the PN-G run game and made to two INTs returned for TDs to secure the win. That video is not is good as the Plano game, but it well worth the time to watch. PN-G was small and scrappy. Very small PN-G team. Brazosport had size and most important, they had David Hodge. He was a stud. I'm more impressed with the 1974 PN-G Indians after watching Astrodomination. The 1974 PN-G Indians had some scrappy fight to them. Small and aggressive street fighters. They did not quit. They just kept coming after you. On defense, DL Matt Burnett was a big time MAN. He blew up the Brazosport OL several times all by himself. They double-teamed him and he shredded the double-team. He was strong and he had a nose for finding the football. The 1974 team would have won the state championship but for David Hodge. The 1974 team is underrated.
Go Indians.
Usedtocould
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Yep. I was 6 at the Permian game and was more concerned about the Santa dressed in black, the biplane flying above and their chanting of MoJo. Ha. At the Plano game I was 8 so I understood football a bit better. And the talk about Smith was all The gossip before the game. And he played primarily on the right side of the defense and absolutely shut the run down he would even run down sweeps to the other side. And was in the backfield before the drop back much of the time. I was depressed after that game for a good while. And it was the last Indian game I attended probably until 07 (because of distance and absence from champ games) etc. I also remember how freakin’ hot it was that day since we were in the sunny spot. Jeez it was baking.IndianFan said:
Usedtocould
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How can I get a copy of that now? Funny story about the Brazosport game we were still living in PN then and my mom made signs usually. She said “any ideas for the sign†I asked what an exporter was she said we could say pirate. So I said let’s put eye patches over both eyes. So I was at that game too I just was too young to pay football attention then.
Usedtocould said:
And one player beat us in 1974, David Hodges. Without his 2 pick 6's, PNG wins 7-0 Their offense was shut out, but we couldn't overcome those 2 plays.
The next week, Brazoswood went on to win the State Championship easily... that would have been PNG.
Usedtocould said:
Billy Ray Smith Jr. (born August 10, 1961) was a linebacker in the NFL for 10 seasons during the 1980s and 1990s. He played college football for the University of Arkansas, and was twice recognized as a consensus All-American. Smith was selected in the first round of the 1983 NFL Draft, and played professionally for the NFL's San Diego Chargers.[1]
At the University of Arkansas, Smith was a two-time consensus All-American selection, earning the honors in 1981 and 1982.
Smith was drafted by the San Diego Chargers in 1983. He was the 5th pick in the 1st round, and was the first defensive player taken in the 1983 draft. He was the Chargers team MVP in 1987, and the team defensive player of the year in 1985 and 1986. Smith was voted Second-team All-AFC by UPI in 1986 and 1987 and was voted Second-team All-Pro by NEA in 1989.
BMTSoulja1
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Yea, it Silsbee had SERIOUS QB issues when they played PN-G. 2 games after the PN-G game, that QB was benched and ended up quitting the team shortly after. The starter that came in after that orchestrated Silsbee's historical run to the State semifinals.Usedtocould said:
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5A DII REGIONAL ROUND
PN-G Indians (11-1)
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Texas High Tigers (12-0)
Friday, Nov. 29, 7:00PM
Northwestern State University Turpin Stadium, Natchitoches, LA
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