GAMEDAY: PN-G Indians vs. WO-S Mustangs

[bark]

Indianfan you are absolutely correct I cannot count how many times i saw the Indian players throwing there hands up in the air trying to get the crowd into it. One particular play we were about to defend a 3rd and 15. The players were doing everything they could to get the crowd into it but nothing total silence. Noone responded. Noone.

:stop:
Surely you are not insinuating the fans are part of the reason we got out husseled, out blocked, out tackled, etc...?

Those players need to focus on the game and take care of THEIR business we have THE BEST fans on this Earth!!!!!!!

Really.

 

[IndianFan]

It all needs some work. Players pick up energy from the fans. It is from a very reliable source from an opposing vantage point that there was little fanfare coming from the home stands. Of course fans don't play the game, but introspection is due everywhere at the reservation. Its time to walk the talk again. :thumbsup:

 

[prepballfan]

Indianfan you are absolutely correct I cannot count how many times i saw the Indian players throwing there hands up in the air trying to get the crowd into it. One particular play we were about to defend a 3rd and 15. The players were doing everything they could to get the crowd into it but nothing total silence. Noone responded. Noone.

:stop:
Surely you are not insinuating the fans are part of the reason we got out husseled, out blocked, out tackled, etc...?

Those players need to focus on the game and take care of THEIR business we have THE BEST fans on this Earth!!!!!!!
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You are not serious that I would insiuate that anything to do with the lost. Only saying they could have been into the game more than they were.
Really.

 

[IndianFan]

 

[prepballfan]

Bad to the bone!!!!

 

[IndianFan]

All those old teams that make up the Honor, Pride and Tradition that we all like to claim WERE bad to the bone!

The same qualities that helped WO-S win the game Friday night against a bigger, more experienced team in their own stadium.

It's time for PN-G Indians to get mad and mean, and EXECUTE. And if a player can't figure out how to catch and hold onto a ball, or take the ball north and south with authority, or lay the wood when blocking or tackling an opposing player, put someone out there in his place!

Speaking of fans, the large crowds that followed the PN-G teams across the area and state in the glory years had a loud voice and presence. They were PN-G's 12th man. And those teams absorbed that energy and applied it on the field.

Being part of the honor, pride and tradition of PN-G isn't a privilege earned by simply donning purple and white colors, it has to be reborn, nurtured and grown every game of every season.

I hope the Indian Nation festers after this loss, and everyone mentally and physically prepares to once again show what playing a football game against PN-G is about.

 

[Justafan]

All those old teams that make up the Honor, Pride and Tradition that we all like to claim WERE bad to the bone!

The same qualities that helped WO-S win the game Friday night against a bigger, more experienced team in their own stadium.

It's time for PN-G Indians to get mad and mean, and EXECUTE. And if a player can't figure out how to catch and hold onto a ball, or take the ball north and south with authority, or lay the wood when blocking or tackling an opposing player, put someone out there in his place!

Speaking of fans, the large crowds that followed the PN-G teams across the area and state in the glory years had a loud voice and presence. They were PN-G's 12th man. And those teams absorbed that energy and applied it on the field.

Being part of the honor, pride and tradition of PN-G isn't a privilege earned by simply donning purple and white colors, it has to be reborn, nurtured and grown every game of every season.

I hope the Indian Nation festers after this loss, and everyone mentally and physically prepares to once again show what playing a football game against PN-G is about.

The problem is we're not bad to the bone anymore, but are a finesse team. Our corners play 10 yards off the ball and allow the other teams to catch the ball. In all my years of watching PNG we always had a couple defensive players who'd light you up, but now our style of defense doesn't allow for that type of players. I have been to MANY practices over the years and we don't do contact tackling, only technique drills. Back in the days we hit all practice long!!! Right now I predict us being 6-4 if not 5-5.

 

[IndianFan]

All those old teams that make up the Honor, Pride and Tradition that we all like to claim WERE bad to the bone!

The same qualities that helped WO-S win the game Friday night against a bigger, more experienced team in their own stadium.

It's time for PN-G Indians to get mad and mean, and EXECUTE. And if a player can't figure out how to catch and hold onto a ball, or take the ball north and south with authority, or lay the wood when blocking or tackling an opposing player, put someone out there in his place!

Speaking of fans, the large crowds that followed the PN-G teams across the area and state in the glory years had a loud voice and presence. They were PN-G's 12th man. And those teams absorbed that energy and applied it on the field.

Being part of the honor, pride and tradition of PN-G isn't a privilege earned by simply donning purple and white colors, it has to be reborn, nurtured and grown every game of every season.

I hope the Indian Nation festers after this loss, and everyone mentally and physically prepares to once again show what playing a football game against PN-G is about.

The problem is we're not bad to the bone anymore, but are a finesse team. Our corners play 10 yards off the ball and allow the other teams to catch the ball. In all my years of watching PNG we always had a couple defensive players who'd light you up, but now our style of defense doesn't allow for that type of players. I have been to MANY practices over the years and we don't do contact tackling, only technique drills. Back in the days we hit all practice long!!! Right now I predict us being 6-4 if not 5-5.

Not to doubt the coaches who are the pros, but that might explain a few things. Practice like you play has much truth to it, or rather "You play like you practice". 'Back in the day' practice WAS like a game, the coaches wanted to simulate as much as possible including making sure first string players show that they deserved to be starters. ;D

 

[IndianFan]

Crickets... must have hit a wrong nerve.


Apologies for the comments if they were inappropriate. Overzealousness of fans is the curse of all programs. Strong fan interest is a double edged sword for coaches all over, especially with this fan base.


PN-G coaches know how to play and coach the game, and the kids want to win. They'll get it together.


Bottom line, it was only the second game of the season against the first tough opponent of the year. A program that has won 20 of 27 games against the Indians, a program that is the best in SE Texas, and historically one of the best in the state. The Indians were only a few mistakes away from winning that game. The dropped passes are a huge problem, reliable hands are a necessity. The rest will improve with work.


Regarding the practice methods, it's a common approach these days not to beat up your fellow team members in practice. That's left to the coaches to know what's best.


That WO-S game lit a hotter fire and the team will benefit.

 

[Justafan]

No nerve here, just speaking the truth. Just want the boys to have best chance to win.

 

[NDN4Life]

I for one trust the coaches and the way they prepare the boys for Friday Nights. The Indians have always started slow against WOS and I even said it before the game started but it happens. 6-4 or 5-5 please this team has more talent then that record you think.

 

[bandkid]

IndianFan, I don't think you hit a nerve at all. I think you hit the nail on the head.

This has been discussed here before. Every time, someone says that the boys on the field who want the crowd involved should either be focusing on the game or doing something to get the crowd involved. That seems to be the prevailing point of view among most of our fans, in particular our older fans. When we're beating Clear Lake by seven touchdowns, it's appropriate to get loud and excited, but when we're tied with West Orange and one of the most storied, heated football series in Southeast Texas is on the line? During almost everything except touchdowns, we're quiet as 8,000 purple clad church mice.

I always have to chuckle a little when I read those replies about why the fans supposedly don't have much bearing on the game. When I first started posting here, this board was caught in the middle of a raging fight over the speed and volume of Cherokee. I remember one poster going so far as to blame Matt Burnett's 3-6 season on the band - "they didn't fire the boys or the crowd up enough," or so we were told. I'm left wondering if the same group of posters who said or implied that stayed seated and quiet for most of last Friday's game.

I spent four years watching the Crimson Tide play in person. Went to all but two home games and several away games ranging in location from the Georgia Dome on one end to Death Valley on the other. You ask any one of the Alabama players if the crowd in the stands has an effect on the game, and every last one of them will give you an emphatic "yes." They know it, and the coaches know it - so much so that Nick Saban himself regularly chewed out the student section for not being loud enough two seasons ago. Imagine that. The most successful coach in college football, in charge of a program that's gone 85-11 and brought home three national championships in the last seven years and undoubtedly a bigger expert on what it takes to win in football than anyone on this board will ever be, thinks that the crowd is a significant factor in his team's success.

Six years ago, I was told that the band wasn't doing its part to maintain the college-like football atmosphere PN-G is famous for. We fixed that - the band sounds the best I've ever heard it right now. Now it's the crowd's turn.

 

[pngfan66]

Not catching passes thrown into your hands, fumbling the football. endzone, (I personally think he was across the goal line when the ball was knocked out, so it should have counted as a touchdown). Poor, poor offensive blocking. We have got to have better line blocking or Morse will be on the turf all night long. If push comes to shove on the O line, bring up some JV or heck even some freshmen to try out. Need so utilize some stickum, lol, on some of the receivers hands. There were way to many points left off the score board by PNG. As far as D goes, D line did have some good penetration into the back field, but the outside containment wasn't there to secure the loss and tackle. The zone coverage is killing us in the secondary. Playing 8 - 10 yards off isn't helping. But I think its because we don't have the speed in the secondary to go man coverage. Lots were learned from the WOS game. Lots of work to be done, maybe some personnel changes. Who knows, I'm not the coach. But in order to run and pass the ball effectively we have to have better blocking. Morse has to have more time to set up and find the best open receiver.

 

[IndianFan]

Ultimately, these are good times at The Reservation. A great coach on the sidelines and like every season, some players on the field that will be remembered long from now.


We all hope that can translate into a lot of wins including another win over Nederland, a district championship and a good playoff run.


In the meantime these players need to hear fans roaring at the games. And hopefully the players realize that time is fleeting and there are only so many opportunities to realize their dreams of winning. Each practice and game should be conducted like it's for the championship. Urgency and determination are the key concepts as they write their names in the 90 year book of PN-G football history. :thumbsup:

 

[PNG Proud]

Not catching passes thrown into your hands, fumbling the football. endzone, (I personally think he was across the goal line when the ball was knocked out, so it should have counted as a touchdown). Poor, poor offensive blocking. We have got to have better line blocking or Morse will be on the turf all night long. If push comes to shove on the O line, bring up some JV or heck even some freshmen to try out. Need so utilize some stickum, lol, on some of the receivers hands. There were way to many points left off the score board by PNG. As far as D goes, D line did have some good penetration into the back field, but the outside containment wasn't there to secure the loss and tackle. The zone coverage is killing us in the secondary. Playing 8 - 10 yards off isn't helping. But I think its because we don't have the speed in the secondary to go man coverage. Lots were learned from the WOS game. Lots of work to be done, maybe some personnel changes. Who knows, I'm not the coach. But in order to run and pass the ball effectively we have to have better blocking. Morse has to have more time to set up and find the best open receiver.

Nope, sorry, I saw the replay multiple times, from the sidelines, and he clearly fumbled about the 1 yard line, INTO the end zone.

As far as the crowd goes, I agree, they were quiet. I made the comment to my wife, during the game, that all those "Die Hards", that boast about having seats on the 50 yard line, rarely stand for the team and NEVER stand for Cherokee. That's their prerogative, but it would be nice if they gave those seats up for REAL fans. It's aggravating.

But, to me, the real killer was dropped passes, overthrown passes, fumbles. The team feeds off the fans, but the fans feed off of the team as well. I suspect that the fans get down when things don't go as well as they should be.

 

[Justafan]

Most of the people who sit by us are only there to be seen and gossip the WHOLE game!!!!

 

[bark]

:machinegun:x
I think that most are frustrated with all the preseason hype about how great we are, only to have totally uneventful seasons the last 4/5 years.

No real excitement except for the group Burnett left Fairclothe in year one.

I tried to go back to team records ---anyone know what Faircloths record is, not including the 1st year???

 

[NDN4Life]

IndianFan, I don't think you hit a nerve at all. I think you hit the nail on the head.

This has been discussed here before. Every time, someone says that the boys on the field who want the crowd involved should either be focusing on the game or doing something to get the crowd involved. That seems to be the prevailing point of view among most of our fans, in particular our older fans. When we're beating Clear Lake by seven touchdowns, it's appropriate to get loud and excited, but when we're tied with West Orange and one of the most storied, heated football series in Southeast Texas is on the line? During almost everything except touchdowns, we're quiet as 8,000 purple clad church mice.

I always have to chuckle a little when I read those replies about why the fans supposedly don't have much bearing on the game. When I first started posting here, this board was caught in the middle of a raging fight over the speed and volume of Cherokee. I remember one poster going so far as to blame Matt Burnett's 3-6 season on the band - "they didn't fire the boys or the crowd up enough," or so we were told. I'm left wondering if the same group of posters who said or implied that stayed seated and quiet for most of last Friday's game.

I spent four years watching the Crimson Tide play in person. Went to all but two home games and several away games ranging in location from the Georgia Dome on one end to Death Valley on the other. You ask any one of the Alabama players if the crowd in the stands has an effect on the game, and every last one of them will give you an emphatic "yes." They know it, and the coaches know it - so much so that Nick Saban himself regularly chewed out the student section for not being loud enough two seasons ago. Imagine that. The most successful coach in college football, in charge of a program that's gone 85-11 and brought home three national championships in the last seven years and undoubtedly a bigger expert on what it takes to win in football than anyone on this board will ever be, thinks that the crowd is a significant factor in his team's success.

Six years ago, I was told that the band wasn't doing its part to maintain the college-like football atmosphere PN-G is famous for. We fixed that - the band sounds the best I've ever heard it right now. Now it's the crowd's turn.

Much as I hate to agree with an Alabama fan(lol) but it is the truth. For years now I've watched fans sit on there hands during 4 quarters of the game and finally stand for Cherokee only during halftime. Also I really hate the "stand for Cherokee" signs really makes our fans look bad.

 

[1989NDN]

I get so tired of hearing about "the group" that Coach Burnett left for Coach Faircloth in 2009. Or, "take away the first group that Coach Burnett left, and what is Coach Faircloth's record?" Well, in 2008, Coach Burnett went 3-6 with that group "he left" for Coach Faircloth. He did so well during district play in 2008, "that group" went 1-6 with the only win over LC-M. In 2009, Coach Faircloth came in and went 11-1, had the first undefeated regular season since 1977, and he changed the culture of the program from run, run, pass, and punt, to joining the the 21st Century and throwing the football. You can look up Coach Faircloth's record on the webpage www.pngindians.com under the History tab. Take away the Dustin Long era in 1997, 1998 and 1999 and calculate Coach Burnett's record while you are at it.

For anyone that was actually at the WO-S game, the reasons for the loss were obvious. Dropped passes, a fumble going into the end zone where WO-S stripped the ball from the Indian RB, and allowing the WO-S QB to get the ball to #27. But, it wasn't like #27 beat us deep. The WO-S QB tossed the ball out in the flat and #27 made people miss. The PN-G defense does have a few kids that will hit you. I can name about 3 or 4 that go head hunting. Could we tighten up the secondary pass coverage? Sure. But, if we play press man-to-man and get beat deep, that will be problem, too. On defense, over the past 6 years, PN-G has tried to keep everything in front of its defensive players instead of getting beat deep. I agree with the masses, if the philosophy is to keep everything in front of you, then the Indians need to tackle better. I agree with PNGFAN66, the OL needs to come together. Taking 5 kids and having them work as one cohesive unit takes some time. WO-S brought the heat and got to Morse often. Even when he moved around in the pocket, his throws were hurried or he made an overthrow. It happens. Better for the Indians to see that type of pressure BEFORE district starts. PN-G can learn from it and adjust. If the Indians catch the ball vs. WO-S and don't give the TD away with a fumble, that game is a lot different. I'm not saying PN-G would have won, but the score and momentum would have been different. In the second half, WO-S controlled the game. Oh well, it is over. Time to learn from the mistakes and move onward and upward.

P.S. Where I sat for the WO-S game, the crowd was into the game...emotions ran high in the first half and we kept waiting for an Indian surge in the second half.

P.S. Part II, give WO-S some credit. The QB for WO-S is small, paper thin, and not the fastest guy in the world, but that kid is savvy. He moved around just enough to extend plays and make very good throws all over the field. #27 hurt us when he had the ball. The WO-S defense was small and fast.

I have 3 more regular season games in 2015. In Lufkin for Tyler Chapel Hill, at Goose Creek to see PN-G play Baytown Lee, and at Port Neches for the Nederland game. I hope to see 3 solid Ws and a run in the playoffs.

Go Indians. Peace.

 

[bandkid]

I get so tired of hearing about "the group" that Coach Burnett left for Coach Faircloth in 2009. Or, "take away the first group that Coach Burnett left, and what is Coach Faircloth's record?" Well, in 2008, Coach Burnett went 3-6 with that group "he left" for Coach Faircloth. He did so well during district play in 2008, "that group" went 1-6 with the only win over LC-M. In 2009, Coach Faircloth came in and went 11-1, had the first undefeated regular season since 1977, and he changed the culture of the program from run, run, pass, and punt, to joining the the 21st Century and throwing the football. You can look up Coach Faircloth's record on the webpage www.pngindians.com under the History tab. Take away the Dustin Long era in 1997, 1998 and 1999 and calculate Coach Burnett's record while you are at it.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who realizes that. I knew a lot of the kids who played on those 2008 and 2009 teams. Every last one of them said there was a serious culture change the day Brandon Faircloth walked through the door. I have a lot of respect for the Burnetts and everything they've done for the PN-G community, but the bottom line is we needed the new blood. If we hadn't gotten that transfusion when we did, 2009 would have looked a lot like 2008.