Nacogdoches @ PN-G Round - 1

Establish the run. Vanilla looking running plays might just be the high percentage plays that have been a strength. Challenge now is the opponents seem to have a proven defensive strategy to counter those runs. Both Montgomery and Dayton have shown other teams how to slow it down. Stack the box and blitz. Not enough blockers to stop that. Indians had to throw a lot last night to try and loosen the jaws. But if Gholke, Brisboe, Jackson, Benkert, Henry, Diaz and the tight ends can hang onto the football and Bailey can throw well, it’s going to be tough to stop the PN-G offense. That screen pass is potent when the opposing defense gets too aggressive against the run. Last night Henry was basically on rest for the playoffs. When he steps it up like against Huntsville, the rushing performance will improve. That’s just one perspective.
 
You can't have wasted possessions in the playoffs against teams like Montgomery, Texas High, SOC, Iowa Colony, and Richmond Randle. You squeeze the clock and reduce the game to four or five key possessions. You can't have playcalling kill your drive in your opponent's territory like it did 2x vs. Dayton. You can't waste possessions and punt the football to D-1 recruits. Montgomery and Texas High will beat you. SOC and Richmond Randle will humiliate you. Go back to 2022 and 2023. PN-G didn't waste possessions in big games. They controlled the line of scrimmage and got points at the end of drives (FGs and TDs).
 
15PNG said:
And get rid of the vanilla play calling - this ain’t tecmo bowl now
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Understand the frustration. However Dayton was taking away the run and daring PNG to pass along with employing different blitz packages. Have to have running plays and screen pass plays to make Dayton defense back off and play balanced. Only takes one PNG run play when a blitzing LB leaves a gap for a long TD run which we saw in the game.

There were maybe eight spectacular and explosive PNG plays in the game with a lot of setup run plays (HoHum). Patience is truly a virtue that I lack. 49 to 7 win and still I lack patience wanting instant gratification on each play. You would think with a current 50-6 record I could try to support this proven process.
PNG OL and HB/TEs are not yet as experienced and physically dominating as in the past. If you watch MCM in 2023 there would be up to four NED players knocked to the ground on PNG red zone run plays. Men against kids.
 
If you are playing PN-G in 2025, consider these facts:
* 7 out of 10 games, the Indians scored 45 or more points.
* The other three games, the Indians scored 35, 39, and 39 points.
* Avg. Points/Game through 10 games 44.0 (440 points / 10 games).
* Avg. Points/Game Given Up by the PN-G Defense through 10 games 17.3 (173 points / 10 games)
* Second, Third, and Scout Team players played in 7 out of 10 games.
* Henry is a 1,000 yard rusher; Bailey is a 1000 yard passer. (No, I don't have exact stats; just my eye ball stats watching games online.)
* PN-G has played in, at least, 13 games per season since 2021. If PN-G gets to the 13-game mark in 2025, that will be five consecutive seasons where the Indians have played at least 13 games. I don't think the Indians have ever had a better five year stretch.
* 2022-2024, PN-G played in 16, 16, and 14 games.
* Chief Jeff Joseph is 50-6 and 19-1 in one score games.

Enough with the numbers/stats. I need to stop reading all the numbers at www.pngindians.com.

GO INDIANS!!!
 
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prepballfan said:
Time to step up a notch.
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Nacodoches is just now learning what it feels to win. Hired an “alumni” HC to turn the program around. It’s a fragile mindset. Texarkana 50-0 win last night demonstrates it.
2025 6-4
2024 3-7
2023 3-7
2022 1-9
PNG 50-6 over the same time period. It fuels the team’s comeback mentality and one score winning record the last four years.
 
1989NDN said:
If you are playing PN-G in 2025, consider these facts:
* 7 out of 10 games, the Indians scored 45 or more points.
* The other three games, the Indians scored 35, 39, and 39 points.
* Avg. Points/Game through 10 games 44.0 (440 points / 10 games).
* Avg. Points/Game Given Up by the PN-G Defense through 10 games 17.3 (173 points / 10 games)
* Second, Third, and Scout Team players played in 7 out of 10 games.
* Henry is a 1,000 yard rusher; Bailey is a 1000 yard passer. (No, I don't have exact stats; just my eye ball stats watching games online.)
* PN-G has played in, at least, 13 games per season since 2021. If PN-G gets to the 13-game mark in 2025, that will be five consecutive seasons where the Indians have played at least 13 games. I don't think the Indians have ever had a better five year stretch.
* 2022-2024, PN-G played in 16, 16, and 14 games.
* Chief Jeff Joseph is 50-6 and 19-1 in one score games.

Enough with the numbers/stats. I need to stop reading all the numbers at www.pngindians.com.

GO INDIANS!!!
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Last night, it struck me how different it feels going 10-0 in 2025 than it did in 2009. I think you just hit the nail on the head as to why, whether that's what you intended or not.

In 2009, the prospect of going 10-0 was all anyone around PN-G or the Golden Triangle broadly could talk about the last three or four weeks leading up to the Central game as we kept piling up wins, and then it was all anyone could talk about during that year's playoff run (which was cut way too short) and all offseason afterward.

This week, going 10-0 almost went unnoticed. I made a post about the historical significance on Facebook yesterday, partly just to remind everyone how historically significant that milestone is because it didn't seem like many PN-G fans were taking notice. I hardly saw anyone talking about how important that record is beforehand (really only a few posters on this site). Nonetheless, the record doesn't seem to be generating the excitement that it did 16 years ago. The stands last night were the case in point--they were almost empty halfway through the fourth quarter. But in 2009? The only people who left the PN-G stands in the fourth quarter of that game were the guy who had the heart attack and his family.

Some of that is due to the difference in the importance of the last games of the season between 2009 and now. We knew going in that the Central game was going to be a slugging match and it delivered. We knew going into last night's game versus Dayton that we would most likely dominate all game and we did. The Central game was set to decide the district championship and the D1 playoff seeding for our district. Last night, we entered the game with the district title and our playoff seeding already in hand. Plus, for Central, that game was originally supposed to be the last one at the Babe and, for PN-G, there was unfinished business left over from the 2008 game. There were no equivalent circumstances factoring into last night's game.

Still, I told my girlfriend last night I thought the difference in the reactions then versus now had to do with how the Indians had done the seasons prior to 2009 versus how they've done the last few seasons. In 2009, we were still dealing with the fallout from the coaching change. (Some would argue that never truly went away.) We had gone 3-6 in 2008 and hadn't had a season with more than eight wins since 1999. In 2025, we've got a head coach with a .893 winning percentage, we haven't fallen short of the third round of the playoffs since COVID, we have two state championship appearances and a state title win to our credit over the last three seasons, and we've recently strung together the second longest win streak in school history at 22 games. Not to mention all the stats you just tabulated about how much we're scoring on average, how much we're giving up on average, the average margin of victory, etc.

Whether we realize it or not, our expectations have dramatically shifted over the last five years. And I, for one, think that's a good thing.

One might even call that the mark of a dynasty in the making.
 
IndianFan said:
Establish the run. Vanilla looking running plays might just be the high percentage plays that have been a strength. Challenge now is the opponents seem to have a proven defensive strategy to counter those runs. Both Montgomery and Dayton have shown other teams how to slow it down. Stack the box and blitz. Not enough blockers to stop that. Indians had to throw a lot last night to try and loosen the jaws. But if Gholke, Brisboe, Jackson, Benkert, Henry, Diaz and the tight ends can hang onto the football and Bailey can throw well, it’s going to be tough to stop the PN-G offense. That screen pass is potent when the opposing defense gets too aggressive against the run. Last night Henry was basically on rest for the playoffs. When he steps it up like against Huntsville, the rushing performance will improve. That’s just one perspective.
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The passing game will be critical against tougher opponents in the playoffs, including screen passes. In addition to the fact that Dayton was doing a pretty good job of defending the run, we needed additional polishing up of the passing game. Finally, an emphasis on the passing game allowed us to rest the RBs to some degree (particularly Henry) and to minimize the risk of injury to the RBs to some degree. Although I was initially a bit skeptical about the play calling while watching the game, upon further reflection I think the play calling was pretty good with respect to both the outcome of the game and the longer term interests of the team.
 
bandkid said:
Last night, it struck me how different it feels going 10-0 in 2025 than it did in 2009. I think you just hit the nail on the head as to why, whether that's what you intended or not.

In 2009, the prospect of going 10-0 was all anyone around PN-G or the Golden Triangle broadly could talk about the last three or four weeks leading up to the Central game as we kept piling up wins, and then it was all anyone could talk about during that year's playoff run (which was cut way too short) and all offseason afterward.

This week, going 10-0 almost went unnoticed. I made a post about the historical significance on Facebook yesterday, partly just to remind everyone how historically significant that milestone is because it didn't seem like many PN-G fans were taking notice. I hardly saw anyone talking about how important that record is beforehand (really only a few posters on this site). Nonetheless, the record doesn't seem to be generating the excitement that it did 16 years ago. The stands last night were the case in point--they were almost empty halfway through the fourth quarter. But in 2009? The only people who left the PN-G stands in the fourth quarter of that game were the guy who had the heart attack and his family.

Some of that is due to the difference in the importance of the last games of the season between 2009 and now. We knew going in that the Central game was going to be a slugging match and it delivered. We knew going into last night's game versus Dayton that we would most likely dominate all game and we did. The Central game was set to decide the district championship and the D1 playoff seeding for our district. Last night, we entered the game with the district title and our playoff seeding already in hand. Plus, for Central, that game was originally supposed to be the last one at the Babe and, for PN-G, there was unfinished business left over from the 2008 game. There were no equivalent circumstances factoring into last night's game.

Still, I told my girlfriend last night I thought the difference in the reactions then versus now had to do with how the Indians had done the seasons prior to 2009 versus how they've done the last few seasons. In 2009, we were still dealing with the fallout from the coaching change. (Some would argue that never truly went away.) We had gone 3-6 in 2008 and hadn't had a season with more than eight wins since 1999. In 2025, we've got a head coach with a .893 winning percentage, we haven't fallen short of the third round of the playoffs since COVID, we have two state championship appearances and a state title win to our credit over the last three seasons, and we've recently strung together the second longest win streak in school history at 22 games. Not to mention all the stats you just tabulated about how much we're scoring on average, how much we're giving up on average, the average margin of victory, etc.

Whether we realize it or not, our expectations have dramatically shifted over the last five years. And I, for one, think that's a good thing.

One might even call that the mark of a dynasty in the making.
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It’s interesting how easily one’s perceptions can get distorted by high expectations. I found myself being disappointed by our performance on many occasions last night, and to be sure it will be a good thing if both the players and the coaching staff are disappointed by the same aspects of our performance. However, when looking at the game from a broader perspective both the players and the coaching staff did an outstanding job. The same thing is true with regard to the season as a whole. If you look at it from a historical perspective it becomes clear that the team has already accomplished something only a few PNG teams have accomplished during the last 50 years!!! Of course, given the high expectations I will not really be satisfied with anything less than another state championship, so it makes it easier to be critical and to discount what the team has accomplished so far. Although it is absolutely necessary for a program to have such high expectations to perform at a high level year in and year out, it is also a good idea to “stop and smell the roses” from time to time. Right now things are smelling very good for the PNG Indian football program!
 
1989NDN said:
If you are playing PN-G in 2025, consider these facts:
* 7 out of 10 games, the Indians scored 45 or more points.
* The other three games, the Indians scored 35, 39, and 39 points.
* Avg. Points/Game through 10 games 44.0 (440 points / 10 games).
* Avg. Points/Game Given Up by the PN-G Defense through 10 games 17.3 (173 points / 10 games)
* Second, Third, and Scout Team players played in 7 out of 10 games.
* Henry is a 1,000 yard rusher; Bailey is a 1000 yard passer. (No, I don't have exact stats; just my eye ball stats watching games online.)
* PN-G has played in, at least, 13 games per season since 2021. If PN-G gets to the 13-game mark in 2025, that will be five consecutive seasons where the Indians have played at least 13 games. I don't think the Indians have ever had a better five year stretch.
* 2022-2024, PN-G played in 16, 16, and 14 games.
* Chief Jeff Joseph is 50-6 and 19-1 in one score games.

Enough with the numbers/stats. I need to stop reading all the numbers at www.pngindians.com.

GO INDIANS!!!
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I don't care about high scores or false negatives against opponents, if opponents relax and not play full speed for 48min i don't believe it show full strength of your team. Commitment to 48 minutes of endurance to excel.
 
1989NDN said:
You can't have wasted possessions in the playoffs against teams like Montgomery, Texas High, SOC, Iowa Colony, and Richmond Randle. You squeeze the clock and reduce the game to four or five key possessions. You can't have playcalling kill your drive in your opponent's territory like it did 2x vs. Dayton. You can't waste possessions and punt the football to D-1 recruits. Montgomery and Texas High will beat you. SOC and Richmond Randle will humiliate you. Go back to 2022 and 2023. PN-G didn't waste possessions in big games. They controlled the line of scrimmage and got points at the end of drives (FGs and TDs).
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No need to go back to 2022 or 2023. Each year, the team makeup is a little different. The coaches know what they are doing with the 2025 team. The offense looks a little different as far as passing, but that's because there are multiple receivers who are contributing with different skill sets. We have some who can stretch the defense deep, some who can run accurate routes in the 5-15 yard range and some who can do it all.

And we can obviously run the ball well with multiple backs.

Just sit back and enjoy this team and the story they are writing, because it's pretty special too.

Coach Joseph has never had a PN-G team undefeated after 9 games. And this team is currently 10-0.

A great system and culture for PN-G football is being directed by the coaching staff and the players are executing enough plays successfully to be going into the playoffs as a team to be contended with.
 
19PNGndn68 said:
Nacodoches is just now learning what it feels to win. Hired an “alumni” HC to turn the program around. It’s a fragile mindset. Texarkana 50-0 win last night demonstrates it.
2025 6-4
2024 3-7
2023 3-7
2022 1-9
PNG 50-6 over the same time period. It fuels the team’s comeback mentality and one score winning record the last four years.
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Nacogdoches hasn’t been good in my lifetime at anything but baseball
For a while they were a baseball dynasty
 
From someone from the 75 team time.
Undefeated means a lot more if you win the state championship. Until then, one game at a time. Treat each game like Mid County Madness. Our opponents will pull out the stops. Every trick play.
The best part is that our team has been there before. They don't need anyone to tell them anything they don't already know. Now it is time for the team leaders to lead the ones who are going through this for the first time.
So yes, "sit back and enjoy the story" as it unfolds.
 
For some history, this is the first meeting in 74 years between PNG and Nacogdoches.

1950: PNG 48-7
1951: 57-0
2025: ?

They’ve only scored one td on us all-time. Let’s get another win for the series.
 
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